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Zevachim 3

ZEVACHIM 2-4 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff


(a) What does the Mishnah in Gitin say about a case where someone overhears Sofrim saying that they were writing a Get for 'Ish P'loni she'Geirash Ishah P'lonis mi'Makom P'loni', and where all the details fit his own situation?

(b) We reject the proof from there that by Get 'S'tama ke'she'Lo Lishmah', on the basis of Rav Papa's interpretation of the Mishnah.
How *does* Rav Papa interpret it?

(c) What does the Beraisa say about Reuven divorcing his wife Le'ah with a Get that was written for another Reuven, who intended to divorce his wife Le'ah, but who changed his mind?

(d) Why is there no proof that S'tam is considered she'Lo li'Shemah from ...

  1. ... this Beraisa (see Tosfos DH 'Kasav Le'gareish')?
  2. ... the Beraisa which disqualifies a Get that Reuven wrote to divorce an older wife who is called Le'ah, from being used to divorce a younger wife with the same name?
  3. ... a third Beraisa, which disqualifies a Get which the Sofer writes for Reuven to divorce whichever wife he subsequently decides?
(a) What does a fourth Beraisa say about a Sofer writing skeleton Gitin?
What are they obligated to leave blank?

(b) What does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav add to this?

(c) What does this prove?

(a) Rav Yehudah Amar Rav states that a Chatas that is Shechted as an Olah is Pasul.
What does he say about a Chatas that is Shechted as Chulin?

(b) Which principle does Rava extrapolate from Rav Yehudah's dual ruling?

(c) What does Rava extrapolate from the Mishnah in Gitin (that we cited earlier) 'Kol ha'Get she'Nichtav *she'Lo le'Shem Ishah* Pasul'?

(d) Why is this a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav?

(e) How does Rava reconcile the Mishnah with Rav Yehudah Amar Rav?

(a) Rava also queried Rav Yehudah Amar Rav from another Beraisa.
What does the Tana mean when he learns from the Pasuk in Shemini "Tocho" (in connection with earthenware vessels containing food or drink, in which there is a dead Sheretz) ...
  1. ... "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'?
  2. ... 'va'Afilu K'lei Shetef Matzil'? What are K'lei Shetef?
(b) What is now the Kashya on Rav from this Mishnah?

(c) And he answers that we compare Chulin vis-a-vis Kodshim to a wall vis-a-vis an oven.
What does he mean by that? What is the difference between a wall (in this regard) and a vessel?

(a) What does the Mishnah in Keilim say about a case where an oven contains food or drink, and where they discovered a dead Sheretz on the other side of ...
  1. ... planks or a curtain with which they divided it?
  2. ... a broken bee-hive which they filled in with straw? What is the significance of the straw?
(b) What does the Mishnah there say in the latter case, where there is no food or drink in the oven, but where the Sheretz is found inside the bee-hive?

(c) Rebbi Eliezer there says 'Tahor', and he learns it from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from the equivalent case of Ohel ha'Meis.
What is the gist of the 'Kal va'Chomer'?

(d) How do the Rabbanan counter Rebbi Eliezer?

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(a) The problem with Rava's initial answer to his Kashya (where he learns 'de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv' from this Beraisa) is - from Rebbi Eliezer, who gives vessels the same Din as a partition in this regard (and who seems to hold that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv'). We answer that this is due to the 'Kal va'Chomer', which overrides the principle of 'de'La'av Miynah, Lo Machriv'.
On what grounds do we reject this answer?

(b) So according to Rebbi Eliezer, we establish Rav like Rebbi Elazar. What does Rebbi Elazar learn from the Pasuk in Emor "ve'Lo Yechalelu es Kodshei B'nei Yisrael es Asher Yarimu la'Hashem"? How does this reconcile Rav with the Beraisa of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'?

(c) What problem does this answer pose (with regard to the Beraisa)?

(a) We answer that "Tocho" is needed to teach us a case where the food was covered with clay.
What is then the Chidush?

(b) How does this answer the Kashya?

(c) In that case, how can the Rabbanan use the D'rashah of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho', to extrapolate that a Mechitzah of other materials does not save the food inside an earthenware vessel from Tum'ah? Why do they not need the Pasuk to teach us the case where the food was covered with clay?

(a) Rav rules that a Chatas which a Kohen Shechts as another Chatas is Kasher.
What does he mean by 'one Chatas as another Chatas'?

(b) What does he say about a Chatas that a Kohen Shechts ...

  1. ... as an Olah?
  2. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav another Chatas?
  3. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav an Olah?
(c) What is the problem with Rav's two dual statements?

(d) How do we answer the Kashya based on the two Pesukim in Vayikra "Ve'shachat Osah le'Chatas" (Shinuy Kodesh) and "Alav" 've'Lo al Chavero' (Shinuy Ba'alav)?

(a) We just learned that, by Shinuy Ba'alim, if a Kohen Shechts Reuven's Chatas on behalf of Shimon who is Chayav another Chatas, it is Pasul, whereas if he Shechts it on behalf of Levi who is Chayav an Olah it is Kasher (suggesting that 'de'Bar Miynah Machriv, de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv'). Rav Chaviva queries this from the Beraisa of ' ''Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'.
What is the problem?

(b) And he answers by ascribing the Din of 'Toch Tocho' to a 'Gezeiras ha'Kasuv'.
What does he mean when he says 'Arba'ah "Tocho" Kesivi? How many times does "Tocho" really appear?

(c) What does he mean when says ...

  1. ... 'Chad le'Gufeih'?
  2. ... 'Chad li'Gezeirah-Shavah'?
  3. ... 'Chad, Tocho shel Zeh, ve'Lo Tocho shel Acher'? What is this coming to preclude?
(d) And what does he learn from the fourth "Tocho"?
10) What does Rav Chaviva then hold on principle?

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