REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Zevachim 10
ZEVACHIM 10 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi
shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff
(a) When Rav Dimi arrived from Eretz Yisrael, he cited Rebbi Yirmiyah's
support of Rebbi Yochanan ('Mechashvin me'Avodah la'Avodah') on the one
hand, and Rebbi Ila's support of Resh Lakish ('Ein Mechashvin ... ') on the
What 'Kal-va'Chomer did Rebbi Yirmiyah initially learn in support
of Rebbi Yochanan she'Lo li'Shemo from Chutz li'Zemano?
(b) What 'Pircha' does Rava bar Ahila'i ask on this 'Kal va'Chomer'? What
basic Chumra does she'Lo bi'Zemano have over she'Lo li'Shemo?
(c) So Rava bar Ahila'i amends the 'Kal-va'Chomer to Chutz li'Mekomo
(instead of Chutz li'Zemano). How does that answer the Kashya from Kareis?
(d) What Pircha does Rav Ashi ask on this 'Kal-va'Chomer'? What Chumra does
Chutz li'Mekomo have over she'Lo li'Shemo?
(a) So Rav Ashi finally cites Rebbi Yirmiyah's proof for Rebbi Yochanan from
a 'Kal va'Chomer' based on the distinction between 'Hareini Shochet she'Lo
le'Shem P'loni' (which is Kasher) and 'Hareini Zorek she'Lo le'Shem P'loni'
(which is Pasul).
Why is that?
(b) How does Rebbi Yirmiyah prove Rebbi Yochanan's ruling from there?
(c) And Rebbi Ila proves Resh Lakish's opinion from the fact that the Torah
requires a Pasuk to teach us Shinuy Kodesh by Zerikah (as we learned
From where might we otherwise have learned it?
(d) So why *does* the Torah write it?
(a) Rav Papa asks why we cannot say the exact opposite.
What exactly was he
(b) How do we answer Rav Papa's Kashya?
(c) Rebbi Yochanan will counter this proof, by asking a 'Pircha' on the 'Kal
va'Chomer', from the fact that Shechitah and Kabalah are different.
Chumra do they have over Zerikah, besides the fact that they require
(d) Why is Resh Lakish not perturbed by this Kashya?
(a) In an independant Machlokes, in a case where the Shochet Shechted
li'Shemah having in mind to sprinkle the blood she'Lo li'Shemah, Rav Nachman
invalidates the Korban.
What does Rabah say?
(b) On what grounds does Rabah retract?
(a) What was the Chut ha'Sikra?
(b) What did Rebbi Yehoshua counter ...
(c) Which is the only other Korban, besides a Chatas Beheimah, whose blood
is sprinkled above the red thread?
- ... when Rebbi Eliezer tried to learn that an Asham should be Pasul she'Lo li'Shemah from a 'Mah Matzinu' from a Chatas?
- ... when he replied 'Pesach Yochi'ach'?
(d) So Rebbi Eliezer attempts to learn the P'sul of an Asham she'Lo li'Shemo
from a new source.
What does he learn from the fact that the Torah writes
the word "Hi/Hu" by the Chatas, the Pesach and the Asham?
(a) How does Rebbi Yehoshua reject Rebbi Eliezer's proof, based on the
location of "Hu" by the Asham?
Answers to questions
(b) What is the significance of that location? How does it serve to refute
Rebbi Eliezer's proof?
(c) What is Rebbi Eliezer's final proof from the Pasuk "ka'Chatas ka'Asham"?
(d) Why is it extremely to refute this proof?
(a) When Rebbi Yehoshua dismissed Rebbi Eliezer's proofs from Chatas and
from Pesach, why did Rebbi Eliezer decline to learn Asham from a 'Mah
ha'Tzad' from the two of them?
(b) Why did Rebbi Yehoshua not ask on Rebbi Eliezer's 'Mah Matzinu' from
Chatas that a Chatas is different, since ...
(c) Neither does he ask him from the fact that the Chatas requires four
Nesinos Damim (one on each corner of the Mizbe'ach), whereas the Asham
requires only two on the two diagonally opposite corners, because he holds
like Rebbi Yishmael.
- ... its blood enters the Kodesh Kodshim on Yom Kipur?
- ... it is rendered Pasul by the blood entering the Kodesh?
- ... it atones for Chayvei K'riysus?
What does Rebbi Yishmael say about placing the blood
on those two corners?
(a) We conclude however, that a Chatas requires three things that other
Korbanos do not.
Two of them are sprinkling with the finger (as opposed
to from the bowl) and sprinkling on the 'Keranos'.
What is the third?
(b) Does this distinction also apply to the Olas ha'Of?
(c) Then why did Rebbi Yehoshua not ask from there on Rebbi Eliezer?
(a) We ask why, when Rebbi Yehoshua asked Rebbi Eliezer from the Chatas,
which is sprinkled above the Chut ha'Sikra (which an Asham is not), the
latter did not reply that the Asham too, was sprinkled above the Chut
ha'Sikra (from the same 'Mah Matzinu').
Abaye answers that Rebbi Eliezer
cannot say that.
(b) We ask on this that an Olah does not come to atone like an Asham does.
What do we answer?
(c) We end up by learning Asham from a 'Mah Matzinu' from Olas Beheimah and
Chatas ha'Of (which have in common with the Asham that they are both Kodshei
Why can we not learn it from Chatas ha'Of alone?
(d) Rava from Parzika however, asks a 'Pircha' on the 'Mah Matzinu'.
Chumra does Asham have over both an Olas Beheimah and a Chatas ha'Of?
(a) What does Rebbi Eliezer learn from the Pasuk in Tzav (in connection with
the Chatas) "ha'Kohen ha'Mechatei Osah"?
(b) Why do we not then also Darshen "Osah" 'li'Shemah Kesheirah ... , Ha
Sha'ar Zevachim Bein li'Sheman Bein she'Lo li'Sheman, Kesheirin'? Why must
"Osah" in that regard be 'La'av Davka'?
(c) Then why, by the same token, do we not also say that "Osah" is La'av
Davka with regard to above the Chut ha'Sikra, seeing as the Torah would have
had to preclude Olas ha'Of from the Limud?
(d) Alternatively, the Tana who does not consider Olas ha'Of a Shiyur is
Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon.
Why is that? What does he say to distinguish
between a Chatas Beheimah and an Olas ha'Of?
(e) What do the Rabbanan hold?
(a) The Torah writes "ve'Chol Chatas Asher Yuva es Damah el ha'Kodesh
Penimah Lo Se'achel".
From where does Rebbi Akiva in a Beraisa learn that
this extends to all Korbanos?
(b) According to the Chachamim, it is confined to a Chatas.
Rebbi Eliezer say?
(c) On what grounds do the Chachamim argue with Rebbi Eliezer? Why do they
not learn the Hekesh "ka'Chatas ka'Asham"?
(a) In fact, the Chachamim learn that an Asham whose blood entered the
Kodesh is Kasher from a 'Mah ha'Tzad' from Olah and Minchas Chotei (along
the lines that we learned that an Asham cannot be sprinkled above the Chut
ha'Sikra from Olah and Chatas ha'Of). We ask why they Chachamim learn from
Minchas Chotei and not from Olas ha'Of.
Answers to questions
Why would that have been
(b) What do we answer?
(c) What exactly is Ravin's She'eilah? Why might the blood of the Olas ha'Of
be different than that of Zevachim?