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Zevachim 58

ZEVACHIM 58 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff

***** Perek Kodshei Kodshim *****


(a) Rebbi Yossi in our Mishnah rules that if Kodshei Kodshim are Shechted on top of the Mizbe'ach, it is as if they have been Shechted in the north. What does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebi Yehudah say?

(b) Rebbi Zeira asked Rav Asi that if Rebbi Yossi considers the entire Mizbe'ach to have been on the north of the Azarah, why he then says '*ke'Ilu* Nishchatu ba'Tzafon'.
What did he answer?

(a) In that case, what can we infer regarding Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah's opinion?

(b) The problem with this is a statement made by Rav Asi himself quoting Rebbi Yochanan.
What did Rebbi Yochanan, in turn quoting Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, say about Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, only on the ground?

(c) Why are they Pasul?

(a) What is now the problem?

(b) Rav Asi finally explained to Rebbi Zeira that Rebbi Yochanan based both opinions on the same Pasuk.
How did each one explain the Pasuk in Yisro (in connection with the Mizbe'ach) "Ve'zavachta Alav es Olosecha ve'es Shelamecha"?

(c) What prompts Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah to explain the Pasuk this way?
What would be the problem if "es Olosecha" came to permit Shechting Olos anywhere on the Mizbe'ach?

(d) How will Rebbi Yossi counter this? Why does the Torah need to insert "ve'es Shelamecha" even if we already know that Olos can be Shechted anywhere on the Mizbe'ach?

(a) We quoted Rav Asi Amar Rebbi Yochanan who stated that Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah concedes that if Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, only on the ground, the Korban is Pasul.
Why can he not be referring to ...
  1. ... the Amah Yesod or the Amah Sovev?
  2. ... east or west of the Mizbe'ach?
(b) Nor can he be referring to tunnels that run under the Mizbe'ach, because of a Beraisa.
What does the Tana there Darshen from the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li"?

(c) So how do we finally establish Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah? What does he mean when he says that if the Korban is Shechted on the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, only on the ground, the Korban is Pasul?

(a) Rebbi Zeira searches for a Mishnah that will corroborate Rebbi Yochanan's statement.
Which statement?

(b) To that end, he cites a Mishnah in Tamid which discusses the arrangements of wood on the Mizbe'ach.
The Tana describes how the Kohen would pick good-quality fig-tree wood for the second Ma'arachah.
What was the second Ma'arachah used for?

(c) From where would the Kohen take the wood? Why was specifically fig-tree wood used?

(d) The second Ma'arachah was arranged - four Amos to the north from the south-western Keren.

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(a) If the Kohen placed sufficient wood to produce an estimated five Sa'ah of coals during the week, how much did he place there on Shabbos? Why is that?

(b) The specifications listed by the Beraisa tally with the opinion of Rebbi Yossi.
What does he mean when, discussing things that are taken 'inside to place outside' or vice-versa 'Eino Nosen Ela be'Samuch she'Ein Lifenim'?

(c) Why can things that are taken ...

  1. ... 'inside to place outside' not refer to the pouring of the Sheyarei ha'Dam of the Chata'os ha'Penimiyos?
  2. ... 'outside to place inside' not refer to the coals of Yom Kipur that were taken from on the Mizbe'ach ha'Chitzon ("me'al ha'Mizbe'ach Asher Lifnei Hashem") for the Ketores that was taken into the Kodesh Kodshim?
(d) So what is Rebbi Yossi referring to when he speaks of ...
  1. ... 'Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim Linasen ba'Chutz'?
  2. ... 'Kol ha'Nital ba'Chutz Linasen bi'Fenim'?
(e) From where do we know the latter Halachah?
(a) How wide was ...
  1. ... the Mizbe'ach?
  2. ... the entrance of the Heichal?
  3. ... the entrance of the Ulam?
(b) How far from the south-western Keren would they have had to arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, if Rebbi Yossi had held that 'Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Darom Ka'i', for it to be opposite the beginning of the entrance of ...
  1. ... the Heichal?
  2. ... the Ulam, presuming the Ulam to have had the same Kedushah as the Heichal?
(c) And how far from the south-western Keren would they have had to arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, if Rebbi Yossi had held 'Chetzyo be'Tzafon ve'Chetzyo be'Darom', assuming that the Ulam ...
  1. ... did not have the Kedushah of the Heichal?
  2. ... did?
(d) In that case, seeing as Rebbi Yossi must hold 'Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Tzafon Ka'i', why did they arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah as far as four Amos away from the south-western Keren? Why not closer?
(a) Rav Ada bar Ahavah establishes the Beraisa like Rebbi Yehudah, who maintains that the Mizbe'ach stood exactly in the middle of the Azarah.
How many Amos were then in line with the entrance of the Heichal, and how much of it protruded on either side?

(b) How many Amos away from the edge of the Mizbe'ach should they have then arranged the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, assuming that the Ulam ...

  1. ... did not possess the Kedushah of the Heichal?
  2. ... did ... ?
(c) Then why does the Beraisa say four Amos from the edge of the Mizbe'ach and not six?
(a) We ask why we do we not then establish the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi.
Why should we?

(b) In that case, why indeed, do we not?

(c) But did we not establish it like Rebbi Yossi anyway, based on his Si'man 'Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim ... '?

(a) Rav Sheravya establishes the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi Hagelili.
What does the latter learn from the Pasuk in Pikudei "ve'es Mizbach ha'Olah Sam Pesach Mishkan Ohel Mo'ed"?

(b) In light of that, how does he explain the Pasuk there "Ve'nasata es ha'Kiyor bein Ohel Mo'ed u'vein ha'Mizbe'ach"?

(c) Where must the Mizbe'ach have been situated, according to Rebbi Yossi Hagelili?

(d) Then why could they not place the Kiyor beside the Mizbe'ach, north of the entrance to ...

  1. ... the Heichal?
  2. ... the Ulam?
(a) The Tana who argues with Rebbi Yossi Hagelili is Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov.
How does Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov Darshen the Pasuk "Tzafonah"?

(b) Then where was the Mizbe'ach situated according to him?

(c) According to Rav Sheravya, from where do we measure the four Amos mentioned in the Mishnah in Tamid?

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