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Zevachim 65

ZEVACHIM 64-65 - sponsored by Harav Ari Bergmann of Lawrence, N.Y., out of love for the Torah and for those who study it.


(a) What does our Mishnah say about a Chatas ha'Of she'Malkah she'Lo Lish'mah u'Mitzah Damo Chutz li'Zemano' or vice-versa, or if both were performed she'Lo li'Shemah (presumably, this latter case is only inserted on account of the other two cases, since it has nothing to do with Pigul)?

(b) What would be the Din in the equivalent case by an Olas ha'Of?

(c) And what does the Tana Kama say about 'Le'echol k'Zayis ba'Chutz, k'Zayis le'Machar' or vice-versa, 'ka'Chatzi Zayis ba'Chutz, ka'Chatzi Zayis le'Machar' or vice-versa?

(a) Rebbi Yehudah disagrees.
In which of the above cases will he rule 'Pigul ve'Chayavin Alav Kareis'?

(b) What do the Chachamim say?

(c) What does the Mishnah rule in the case of 'Le'echol ke'Chatzi Zayis u'Lehaktir ka'Chatzi Zayis (with regard to any of the above combinations)?

(a) The Torah writes in Vayikra, (in connection with Olas ha'Of), "Ve'hikrivo", in spite of having already written "ve'Ve'hikriv min ha'Torim".
What reason does the Beraisa give for ...
  1. ... this?
  2. ... the Torah finding it necessary to continue "el ha'Kohen" (prior to the Melikah)? Why might we have thought otherwise?
(b) Rebbi Akiva learns from "Kohen u'Malak" that the Kohen performs the Melikah with his finger-nail.
Why would we otherwise have taken for granted that Melikah requires a K'li Shareis?

(c) This D'rashah is only possible because "Kohen u'Malak'' would otherwise be superfluous.
What makes it superfluous?

(d) And what does the Beraisa learn from the Hekesh "u'Malak Ve'Hiktir" (with regard to the location of the Melikah)?

(a) The Tana also learns that the Melikah of an Olas ha'Of must be performed 'mi'Mul Oref (and not at the front of the neck) from a 'Gezeirah-Shavah'.
Which 'Gezeirah-Shavah'?

(b) What does he learn from ...

  1. ... the Hekesh "u'Malak Ve'hiktir" (apart from the location of the Melikah)?
  2. ... the double expression "Ve'hiktir Oso" (in connection with the body of the Olas ha'Of) and "Ve'hiktir ha'Mizbeichah"?
(c) And what does he learn from ...
  1. ... "Ve'nimtzah Damo" (and not 'min ha'Dam')?
  2. ... "el Kir ha'Mizbe'ach"?
(a) Why can the Pasuk "u'Malak Ve'hiktir Ve'nimtzah Damo" not be understood literally?

(b) Why indeed does the Torah place "Ve'hiktir" before "Ve'nimtza"?

(c) Why would we have otherwise thought that the Mitzuy of the Olas ha'Of should take place below the Chut ha'Sikra?

(d) And how do we then know that the Melikah had to be performed on top of the Mizbe'ach (standing on the Sovev)?

(a) Is the Kohen permitted to bend down and perform the Melikah below the Sovev?

(b) What do Rebbi Rebbi Nechemyah and Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov say?

(c) Seeing as the Tana Kama agrees with the D'rashah of "Ve'nimtzah Ve'hiktir", how do Abaye and Rava explain their opinion?

(d) What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(a) What does another Beraisa learn from the Pasuk "be'Notzasah"? What would we have thought, had the Torah omitted it and just written "Ve'heisir es Mur'aso"?

(b) According to Aba Yossi ben Chanan, the Kohen removes the stomach too. In his opinion, what does the word "be'Notzasah" incorporate?

(c) Rebbi Yishmael says 'be'Notzah Shelah; Kodrah be'Sakin ke'Miyn Arubah'. What does he mean by that?

(d) Why is he obligated to use a knife?

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(a) With regard to the Din of splitting the Olas ha'Of, (where the Torah writes "Ve'shisa Oso") what does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk in Shoftim (in connection with Shimshon and the lion) "Va'yeshas'ehu ke'Shesa ha'Gedi"?

(b) We learned in our Mishnah that if the Kohen cut both pipes of a Chatas ha'Of, the Korban is Pasul. Why can the author not be Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?

(c) What does Rav Chisda mean when he connects their Machlokes to whether Mitzuy is crucial to the Chatas ha'Of or not.
Assuming that it is, how will that explain the opinion of the Chachamim?

(d) What will Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon then hold?

(a) According to Rava, the Machlokes hinges on 'Shehiyah Bein Si'man le'Siman'.
What is normally the Din if a Shochet delays between the Shechitah of the two Simanim when Shechting ...
  1. ... an animal?
  2. ... a bird?
(b) Why is it inevitable to delay between the two Simanim of the Chatas ha'Of?

(c) Then what is the basis of the Machlokes? Why do the Chachamim rule that despite the fact that he delayed, the Korban is Pasul?

(d) Then why does Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon hold that it is Kasher?

(e) Why, seeing as the Torah requires the cutting of two Simanim by Olas ha'Of, is it not crucial (like it is by an animal) according to the Chachamim?

(a) Abaye establishes the Machlokes by whether it matters or not if the Kohen cuts through the majority of the Basar of the neck of the Chatas ha'Of or not.
Over which case are the Tana'im then arguing?

(b) How will we then explain the opinion of ...

  1. ... the Chachamim?
  2. ... Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?
(c) What would even the Chachamim hold if the Kohen were to cut Rov Basar first?

(d) Abaye and Rava actually argue over the same point as Rebbi Zeira and Rebbi Shmuel b'Rebbi Yitzchak.
What is their Machlokes?

(a) The source for the differences between the Melikah of the Chatas ha'Of and the Olas ha'Of is a Beraisa.
What does the Kohen do, according to the Tana, before he actually cuts any Si'man?

(b) What distinction does the Tana draw between the Melikah of the two birds, besides the fact that the Kohen cuts only one Si'man of the Chatas, but two Simanim of the Olah?

(c) Is the Kohen obligated to cut the Si'man of the Chatas ha'Of and the two Si'manim of the Olas ha'Of completely?

(d) When they told Rebbi Yirmiyah how the various Amora'im interpreted the Machlokes Tana'im, he cited a statement in the name of Rebbi Elazar ben Shamua.
How did the latter interpret the Machlokes, based on the Pasuk (by Chatas ha'Of) "Lo Yavdil"?

(a) How did Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava query Rebbi Yirmiyah's interpretation by citing the Pasuk in Mishpatim (in connection with a pit that someone dug in the street) "ve'Lo Yechasenu"? What Kashya does that pose on Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?

(b) Rav Ashi replied by citing the Pasuk "Ba'al ha'Bor Yeshalem" in Mishpatim and "Ve'hikrivo" in Vayikra (by Olas ha'Of, immediately following Chatas ha'Of).
What do we learn from ...

  1. ... "Ba'al ha'Bor Yeshalem"?
  2. ... "Ve'hikrivo"? What does Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi, in Chulin, learn from there?
(c) How does this prove that "Lo Yavdil" means 'Eino Tzarich Lehavdil", and not that it is a prohibition?
(a) Following the Mitzuy ha'Dam, the Torah writes "Olah Hu".
What does the Beraisa learn from ...
  1. ... "Olah"?
  2. ... "Hu"?
(b) According to Ravina, why does the Tana know learn this way, and not vice-versa?
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