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Zevachim 68

ZEVACHIM 66-68 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff


(a) If, in addition to specifying her Neder, the woman actually linked it to her Chovah, but cannot remember what she specified, how many Olos is she obligated to bring initially?

(b) In a case where she only brought two Kinin, including three Olos, assuming that all the birds that she brought consisted of the same species, how many birds will she still need to bring?

(c) Why will it not suffice to bring one bird corresponding to the Chovah, and one Kan consisting of the species that she did not being earlier?

(d) And how many birds will she still need to bring, assuming that the Chovah and the Neder consisted of different species (and that, like in the earlier case, she does not know which of the species was brought last)?

(e) What happens to the second bird (the one that the Kohen actually brought already) that she brings to correspond to her Chovah?

(a) The Mishnah then discusses what the Halachah will be if the woman gave the birds to the Kohen, but doesn't remember what she gave him, neither does she know what the Kohen did with them.
What are the three possibilities with regard to ...
  1. ... what she gave him?
  2. ... what the Kohen did with them?
(b) The Tana Kama obligates her to bring four birds for her Neder, two for her Chovah and one for her Chatas.
Why does she have to bring ...
  1. ... four birds for her Neder?
  2. ... two birds for her Olas Chovah?
  3. ... only one bird for her Chatas? Why should she not bring another Chatas to match the Olah, in case it was the other species?
(c) Then why does ben Azai obligate her to bring two Chata'os? (d) What happens to the Chata'os? Why is that?
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua declared 'Zehu she'Amru ke'she'Hu Chai, Kolo Echad, u'che'she'Hu Meis, Kolo Shiv'ah'.
What did he mean in the context of the above Mishnah?

(b) To what else was he referring?

(c) If its two horns were used to make trumpets and its two calves to make flutes, what did they do with its ...

  1. ... skin?
  2. ... intestines?
(d) Having proved that the author of Kinin is Rebbi Yehoshua, how will Rav Ada bar Ahavah now explain why, in the Mishnah there that we cited above, the 'Mefurashin' are not Kasher in the case of 'Chetzyan Lema'alah ve'Chetzyan Lematah?
(a) The Tana states that all Pesulin with which the Kohen performed Melikah, remain Pasul.
What does he say about being Metamei the person who eats them? Why is that?

(b) And what does he say in this regard, in a case where the Kohen ...

  1. ... performed Melikah with his left hand or in the night?
  2. ... Shechted Chulin birds in the Azarah or performed Melikah on Kodshim birds outside the Azarah?
(c) And what does he say about a Kohen who performed Melikah with a knife or even with his fingernail, but on Chulin or on Kodshim outside the Azarah?
(a) Why does our Mishnah include Melikah with younger pigeons and older doves in the list of the things that are not Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah?

(b) What is considered too young in a pigeon, and too old in a dove?

(c) In which list does he count a bird whose wing has dried up, whose eye is blinded or whose leg has been cut off?

(d) How will we reconcile this with the principle 'Ein Tamus ve'Zachrus be'Of'?

(a) The Tana concludes with the princile 'Kol she'Pesulo ba'Kodesh Eino Metamei (Begadim) be'Beis ha'Beli'ah, ve'Chol she'Eino ba'Kodesh ... '.
What is the criterion for 'Pesulo ba'Kodesh'?

(b) What is the significance of the word 'Begadim' (which appears in the Sugya later on the Amud)?

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(a) What is Rav coming to teach us when he states that S'mol and Laylah (with regard to Melikas Of) are Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah, but that Zar and Sakin are not?

(b) Is it only the Melikah of a *Zar* that is Pasul? How about an Onan, an Areil and other Pesulim?

(c) Seeing as Melikah with the left hand or in the night is Pasul, on what grounds is the Tum'ah removed by ...

  1. ... Melikas S'mol?
  2. ... Melikas Laylah?
(d) Why does Melikas Zar not also remove the Tum'ah, seeing as a Zar is Kasher to Shecht?
(a) When Rebbi Zeira disqualified a Zar from Shechting the Parah Adumah, what source did Rav give for this?

(b) What do we attempt to prove from here?

(c) We try to counter the answer that Parah is different in that it is Kodshei Bedek ha'Bayis with a 'Kal va'Chomer'.
Which 'Kal va'Chomer'?

(d) What does Rav Shisha b'rei de'Rav Idi prove from 'Mar'os Nega'im?

(a) What is the Din of a Zar vis-a-vis Melikah of Olos ha'Ofos by a Bamah?

(b) Then why does Rav not place Melikas Zar on a par with S'mol and Laylah, since it is Kasher by a Bamah?

(c) From where does the Beraisa learn that a Korban that is Yotze (i.e. that left its boundaries) 'Im Alah Lo Yeired'?

(d) How will Rav explain this, in light of what he just said?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan disagrees with Rav.
What does he say about Melikas Zar?

(b) From where does he learn it?

(c) What do we try to prove from our Mishnah "Kol ha'Pesulin she'Malku Melikasan Pesulah, ve'Eino Metamei be'Beis ha'Be'li'ah'?

(d) We try to refute Rav's answer, that the Tana comes to include 'S'mal' and 'Laylah' by pointing out that the Tana mentions them explicitly.
How do we dismiss that Kashya?

(a) We ask again on Rav from the Seifa of the Mishnah 'Zeh ha'K'lal Kol she'Hayah Pesulo ba'Kodesh Metamei Begadim a'Beis ha'Beli'ah ... '.
How do we counter this with a Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan from the Seifa de'Seifa? (b) We conclude that the Reisha de'Seifa comes to include 'Shechitas Kodshim

What does the Seifa de'Seifa then come to include?

(c) We learned a Beraisa like Rebbi Yochanan.
What does the Tana say about ...

  1. ... a Zar or a Pasul who perform Melikah?
  2. ... a Korban ha'Of that is 'Pigul, Nosar ve'Tamei'?
(a) What did Rebbi Yitzchak hear in connection with Kemitzas Zar and Melikas Zar?

(b) What did Chizkiyah say to that?

(c) What objection do we raise to the suggestion that ...

  1. ... the Melikah of a Zar is Metamei' because it is Kasher by a Bamah?
  2. ... the Kemitzah of a Zar not Metamei is because a Minchah cannot be brought on a Bamah?
(d) This is based on a statement of Rav Sheishes.
What does Rav Sheishes learn from the Pasuk in Mishpatim (in connection with Har Sinai) "Va'yizbechu *Zevachim* Shelamim"?
What does that have to do with the Din of a Bamah?
13) So what is Rebbi Yitzchak's reason? Why can we not learn the Kemitzah of a Zar in the Beis-Hamikdash from Bamah?

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