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Zevachim 69

ZEVACHIM 69 (19 Av) - dedicated by Nachum and Shoshana Katz in honor of the marriage of their daughter Tamar to Yehudah Brody, Sunday 19 Av 5763, in the Holy City of Yerushalayim. May they be Zocheh to be "Boneh Bayis Ne'eman b'Yisrael," and may the young couple and their parents be blessed with true Yiddishe Nachas!


(a) Discussing the Melikah of a Korban Of, what does the Beraisa try to prove from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "ve'Nefesh Asher Tochal Neveilah" (in connection with the Din of Tum'as Neveilah be'Beis ha'Beli'ah)?

(b) What does the Tana mean when he asks 'Ha Nami Neveilah Hi'? If it was Neveilah, how could the Kohanim be permitted to eat it?

(c) So he ends up learning it (that Melikah removes the Tum'ah) from the Hekesh of Neveilah to T'reifah.
How does he learn it from there?

(d) How does the Tana know that the word "T'reifah" is not coming to teach us that ...

  1. ... T'reifah is Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah'?
  2. ... if one Shechted a T'reifah it is nevertheless Metamei?
(a) What has the above D'rashah (from "T'reifah") got to do with Molek Kodshim ba'Chutz, and Molek Chulin anywhere?

(b) Another Beraisa discusses Shechitas Chulin bi'Fenim and Shechitas Kodshim (of a bird) anywhere.
What objection do we raise when the Tana attempts to learn from "Neveilah" that they are not Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah?

(c) How does the Tana therefore preclude them from the word "T'reifah?

(d) Which of the two cases fits smoothly into this Limud?

(a) How does Rava preclude Shechitas Kodshei Of (which is Neveilah wherever it is) from Tum'ah, from Shechutei Chutz?

(b) From there we will be able to learn Shechitas Kodshei Of ba'Chutz.
But from where will we then learn Shechitas Kodshei Of bi'Fenim?

(c) In that case, why is Melikas Of Kodshim ba'Chutz Metamei? What does Rav Shimi bar Ashi say to explain why we do not learn from Melikas Of Kodshim bi'Fenim, that it is not Metamei?

(d) We query Rav Shimi bar Ashi from the Beraisa which learns that a Korban that became Pasul be'Yotze 'Im Alah Lo Yeired', from the fact that it is Kasher by a Bamah Lechatchilah (a P'sul from a Hechsher).
What do we answer? If the Tana does not really rely on that Limud, then from where does he know it?

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(a) We have already cited Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah, who holds 'Malak ve'Nimtza'as T'reifah Eino Metamei'.
How does he learn ...
  1. ... the Shechitah of a T'reifah Chulin bird via a 'Kal va'Chomer' from the Shechitah of a T'reifah animal?
  2. ... the Melikah of a T'reifah Kodshim bird from the Shechitah of a T'reifah Chulin bird?
(b) Rebbi Yehudah disagrees entirely with Rebbi Meir.
What does he say?

(c) Rebbi Yossi rejects Rebbi Meir's 'Kal va'Chomer' on the basis of 'Dayo'.
What does this mean?

(a) Based on the Pasuk in Beha'aloscha (Hashem's words to Moshe in connection with Miriam's sin) "ve'Avihah Yarok Yarak be'Fanehah ha'Lo Sikalem Shiv'as Yamim", for how long ought Miriam to have been quarantined?

(b) Then why wasn't she?

(c) Why does this pose a Kashya on Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah?

(a) Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Avin answers the Kashya with a Pasuk in Shemini.
What problem does he initially have with the Pasuk "Zos Toras ha'Beheimah ve'ha'Of"?

(b) How will Rebbi Meir therefore interpret the Pasuk?

(c) Rebbi Yehudah counters this with a Pasuk of his own.
What problem does he have with the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "Neveilah *u'Tereifah* ... " (that we discussed on the previous Amud)?

(a) How does Rebbi Yehudah interpret it?

(b) What will he then hold with regard to 'T'reifah Chayah'?

(c) Why does the Shechitah not remove the Tum'ah?

(a) Rav Shizbi queries this interpretation of the Pasuk from a Pasuk in Tzav "ve'Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah ... Ve'achol Lo Sochluhu".
What is the Pasuk coming to teach us?

(b) What must the Torah be referring to when it inserts the word "Tereifah"?

(c) What does this infer, regarding to the animal itself?

(d) We query this however, from a statement by Rav Yehudah Amar Rav (or by a Beraisa).
What does Rav learn from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with Tum'as Neveilah of an animal) "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah". What does he extrapolate from the word "min"?

(a) So what do we learn from "T'reifah" (in Tzav [if not 'T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei'])?

(b) What is now the Kashya on Rebbi Yehudah (who just learned that 'Of T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei' from "T'reifah" in Shemini)?

(c) How do we counter the answer that Rebbi Yehudah learns this from "Neveilah" (which does not apply to a T'reif animal)?

(a) So we Darshen "T'reifah" by Beheimah to preclude the Cheilev of a Chayah from the status of Tahor.
On what basis do we do that?

(b) Why would we have thought that it is not?

(c) How do we query this from the Cheilev of a T'reif animal (which we just declined to learn from "T'reifah")? What does Chayah have in common with a T'reif animal?

(d) What else do we ask from the Pasuk "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu"?

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