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Zevachim 84

ZEVACHIM 84 (4 Elul) - dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Chaim Yissachar (ben Yaakov) Smulewitz of Cleveland on his Yahrzeit, by his children, Moish Smulevitz, Jeri Turkel, Marcia Weinblatt and families.


(a) Discussing the differences between the Tana'im of our Mishnah and those of the Beraisa, Resh Lakish says 'Minchah ha'Ba'ah bi'Fenei Atzmah', 'le'Divrei Kulan Lo Teired'.
To whom does 'Kulan' refer?

(b) What do Rebbi Yossi Hagelili and Rebbi Akiva hold?

(c) We have already discussed 'Minchah ha'Ba'ah Im ha'Zevach', where Raban Gamliel and Rebbi Yehoshua both agree 'Lo Teired'.
To whom is Resh Lakish referring when he says 'le'Divrei Kulan Teired'?

(a) According to Resh Lakish, in a case of Nesachim ha'Ba'im bi'Fenei Atzman, Raban Gamliel and Rebbi Shimon rule 'Lo Yerdu'.
Why is that?

(b) What do 'Kulan' say?

(c) With regard to Nesachim ha'Ba'im Im ha'Zevach, what is the opinion of ...

  1. ... Kulan?
  2. ... Raban Gamliel?
(a) Given each Tana's source, all the above are obvious, and Resh Lakish is coming to teach us Rava's Chidush.
What did Rava say about bringing a Minchas Nesachim?

(b) What problem do we then have with Resh Lakish's lengthy statement?

(c) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Pinchas "Minchasam ve'Niskeihem"?

(d) How does this answer the Kashya on Rava? Why does Resh Lakish now need to teach us these cases?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about 'Lan, Yotze, Tamei, and Nishchat Chutz li'Zemano ve'Chutz li'Mekomo? What do they all have in common?

(b) Does Lan refer to the Dam or the Eimurim?

(c) Which two other cases does the Tana include in his list?

(a) What does Rebbi Yehudah say about Nishchat ba'Laylah, Nishpach Damah and Yatza Damah Chutz li'Kela'im'?

(b) Rebbi Shimon agrees with the Tana Kama. According to him, whatever is 'Pesulo ba'Kodesh' is included in 'Lo Yerdu'.
What is the definition of 'Pesulo ba'Kodesh'?

(c) What does he say about 'Rovei'a, Nirva, Muktzah Ne'evad ... and Ba'alei Mumin?

(a) With which of these does Rebbi Akiva disagree?

(b) What does Rebbi Chanina S'gan ha'Kohanim say about Ba'alei Mumin?

(c) What does the Tana say about P'sulin that 'Im Alu, Lo Yerdu' ...

  1. ... were inadvertently taken down?
  2. ... ascended when they were still alive to the top of the Mizbe'ach?
  3. ... were Shechted on top of the Mizbe'ach?
(d) What does Rebbi Yehudah learn from the Pasuk in Tzav ''Zos ... Hi ha'Olah"? How many 'Mi'utin' does this incorporate?
(a) What does Rebbi Shimon say about Rebbi Yehudah's three cases, based on "Toras ha'Olah" (in the same Pasuk)?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon say about 'ha'Nitnin Lematah she'Nasnan Lema'alah and vice-versa, ha'Nitnin ba'Chutz she'Nasnan bi'Fenim and vice-versa and Pesach ve'Chatas she'Shachtan she'Lo li'Sheman?

(c) And what does he learn from "Zos" (in the same Pasuk)?

(d) On what basis does he include those in the first list and exclude those in the second?

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(a) Rebbi Yehudah holds 'Lan be'Dam Kasher', because Lan be'Eimurin is Kasher.
On what basis is 'Lan be'Eimurin Kasher'?

(b) What is Rebbi Yehudah referring to when he says 'Lan be'Basar Kasher'?

(c) And why does he say 'Lo Yerdu' in the case of ...

  1. ... Yotzei?
  2. ... Tamei"?
  3. ... Chutz li'Zemano?
  4. ... Chutz li'Mekomo?
(a) What is Rebbi Yehudah referring to when he declares Yotzei, Kasher?

(b) How do we know that he is not referring to Dam?

(c) Why does he prefer to invalidate the Eimurei Kodshim rather than Nishchat Chutz li'Zemano?

(a) What objection do we raise to learning 'Lan be'Eimurim' from 'Lan be'Basar', and 'Yotzei de'Mikdash' from 'Yotzei de'Bamah'?

(b) What do we answer? Which Pasuk do the above D'rashos rely on?

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