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Zevachim 85


(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan say about someone who Shechts an animal inside the Azarah at night-time, and then sacrifices it outside the Azarah?

(b) What is his reason?

(c) We refute this however, from a Beraisa, which rules 'ha'Shochet Of bi'Febin u'Ma'aleh ba'Chutz, Patur'?
How does this pose a Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan?

(d) Although the first Lashon remains with a Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan, how does the second Lashon reconcile Rebbi Yochanan with the Beraisa? What is the significance of the word 'ha'Shochet'?

(a) What does Ula say about Eimurei Kodshim Kalim that were brought on the Mizbe'ach before the blood had been sprinkled?

(b) Rebbi Zeira tries to support Ula's ruling with our Mishnah which lists 'she'Nishpach Damah ve'she'Yatza Daman Chutz li'Kela'im' among those that 'Im Alu, Lo Yerdu'.
What 'Kal va'Chomer' does he Darshen from there?

(c) How do we refute Rebbi Zeira's proof from ...

  1. ... there?
  2. ... the Beraisa, which adds the Korban Pesach to the list?
(d) What did Rebbi's Zeira then think when he brought the proof from there?
(a) We learned in the Mishnah 've'Chulan she'Alu Chayin, Yerdu'.
What can we infer from there?

(b) Bearing in mind that there is no difference between Kodshei Kodshim and Kodshim Kalim with regard to Chayin, how do we refute the contention that with regard to Shechutin, there is no difference between them either (a Kashya on Ula)?

(c) Why does the Tana then say 've'Chulan'?

(d) We ask why that is not obvious.
What do we mean by that?

(a) To answer the Kashya, how do we establish the Mishnah in a way that makes it not so obvious at all?

(b) According to which Tana does this go?

(c) What do we extrapolate from the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'Nitach *Osah* li'Nesachim"?

(d) Based on the way we just established 've'Chulan she'Alu Chayin', what problem do we now have with explaining the Seifa ('Shachtah be'Rosh ha'Mizbe'ach, Yafshit vi'Yenatach bi'Mekomah')?

(a) So we establish the Seifa by Kesheirim.
What is then the Chidush?

(b) There is however, an opinion that holds 'Ein Hefshet ve'Nitu'ach be'Rosh ha'Mizbe'ach'.
What is their reason?

(c) We answer that the Tana is speaking when the animal had a Sha'as ha'Kosher.
What do we mean by that? How does that justify Shechting it on top of the Mizbe'ach?

(d) And we establish the author as Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon.
What does he say in Perek T'vul-Yom, with regard to the skin of a Pasul animal that had a Sha'as ha'Kosher?

(a) We learned in a Beraisa (with regard to the current case under discussion) 'Keitzad Oseh, Morid ha'Kirbayim Lematah u'Madichan'.
Why can the Kohen not just burn the intestines as they are?

(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Mal'achi "Hakriveihu Na le'Pechasecha"?

(c) What do we then mean when we ask why the Kohen needs to do that?

(d) What do we answer ...

  1. ... to that?
  2. ... to the Kashya how we can encourage a Kohen to do something that is forbidden (albeit inadvertently)?
Answers to questions



(a) What did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba citing Rebbi Yochanan, ask, in connection with Eimurei Kodshim Kalim that were brought on the Mizbe'ach before the blood was sprinkled?

(b) What did he reply when Rebbi Ami asked him why he did not ask whether they were subject to Me'ilah or not?

(c) Rebbi Yochanan concluded 'Lo Yerdu'.
How do we reconcile this with the fact that they are not subject to Me'ilah?

(a) According to Rebbi Yochanan, when Rebbi Akiva rules 'Im Alu, Lo Yerdu' with regard to Ba'alei Mumin, he is speaking about cataracts in the eye and similar Mumin, but not to blemishes such as missing limbs.
Why is that?

(b) What other specification does Rebbi Akiva require, before he will rule 'Lo Yerdu'?

(c) What does he therefore say about Olas Nekeivah? Why would we have thought otherwise?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "min ha'Beheimah"?

(b) Rebbi Yirmiyah asks whether the P'sul of Nirva will apply to a bird.
Why does he think that it ...

  1. ... may not?
  2. ... nevertheless may?
(c) Why is a bird not subject to the P'sul of Rovei'a?
(a) How does Rabah resolve our She'eilah from Rebbi Akiva, who is Machshir Ba'alei Mumin?

(b) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak supports Rabah's ruling from a Mishnah in Bechoros.
What does the Mishnah say about 'Nirva, Muktzah, Ne'evad, Esnan and Mechir?

(c) On the other hand, he inserts Tumtum and Androginus.
Seeing as there is no difference between a Zachar and a Nekeivah with regard to Olas ha'Of, why does he do that?

(d) What does Rebbi Eliezer say there?

(a) Rebbi Chanina S'gan ha'Kohanim in our Mishnah describes how his father used to remove Ba'alei-Mumin from the Mizbe'ach ('Dochin Hayah Aba es Ba'alei-Mumin me'al-Gabei ha'Mizbe'ach').
Besides the fact that the Tana attaches great importance to a Ma'aseh that actually took place, what other Chidush lies in his words (seeing as he is otherwise merely concurring with the Tana Kama)?

(b) How does Ula qualify the Din in our Mishnah 'Im Yardu, Lo Ya'alu'? In which case will the Tana hold 'Ya'alu'?

(c) Why is that?

(a) This is Rav Mari's version of Ula's ruling. Rebbi Chanina from Sura learns it on the Seifa.
What does the Tana say about the bones, the sinews, the horns and the hooves of a Korban? When are they sacrificed and when are they not?

(b) According to Rebbi Chanina from Sura, what does Ula now say about that?

(c) Rebbi Chanina from Sura agrees with Rav Mari.
Why does Rav Mari not agree with Rebbi Chanina from Sura?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about the Basar of Kodshei Kodshim and Kodshim Kalim, Mosar ha'Omer, the Sh'tei ha'Lechem and the Lechem ha'Panim, the Sheyarei Menachos and the Ketores?

(b) What is the reason for that?

(c) And what does the Tana rule in connection with the hair on the head of a lamb of an Olah and the beard of a goat?

(d) Which other four items does the Tana include in this list?

(e) What does he learn from the Pasuk in ...

  1. ... Vayikra "Ve'hiktir ha'Kohen es ha'Kol"?
  2. ... Re'ei "Ve'asisa Olosecha ha'Basar ve'ha'Dam'?
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