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Zevachim 91

ZEVACHIM 91 (11 Elul) - dedicated by Mrs. Miriam Pogrow of Monsey, NY, l'Zecher Nishmas her mother, Malka (Manya) Milner, the daughter of HaRav Meir Ashkenazi, zt'l, the Rav of Shanghai. May all of her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren follow in her path of Yir'as Shamayim and Ahavas Chessed.


(a) The Mishnah in B'rachos gives precedence to the B'rachah over the wine of Kidush because it is Tadir. What do we try to prove from there?

(b) How do we repudiate that proof?

(c) On what basis does Rebbi Yochanan rule like the Tana who gives precedence to Minchah over Musaf?

(d) How do we refute the proof from there that Tadir has priority over Mekudash?

(a) What do we infer from our Mishnah, which gives precedence to yesterday's Shelamim to today's Chatas ve'Asham?

(b) How does Rava refute the proof from there that Mekudash takes precedence over Tadir?

(c) What is the difference between 'Tadir' and 'Matzuy'?

(a) What do Pesach and Milah have in common that does not apply to any other Mitzvas Asei?

(b) From what does the Beraisa therefore need to preclude them?

(c) Why does the Tana think that perhaps we only preclude Pesach, but not Milah?

(d) What do we try to prove from here?

(a) What do we mean when we counter 'Mai Tedirah, Tedirah be'Mitzvos'?

(b) How else might we refute the proof from there? even assuming that Milah is Matzuy and not Tadir?

(a) We ask what the Din will be if by mistake, they Shechted the Eino Tadir before the Tadir. What are the two sides of the She'eilah?

(b) What does Rebbi Chanina mi'Sura mean when he extrapolates from our Mishnah 'Shelamim shel Emesh, Chatas ve'Asham shel ha'Yom, Shelamim shel Emesh Kodmin', Ha 'de'Yom Dumya de'Emesh, Chatas ve'Asham Kadmi?

(c) What does he prove from there?

(a) To refute the proof, how do we establish both the case of Shelamim shel Emesh ve'Chatas ve'Asham shel ha'Yom, and that of 'de'Yom Dumya de'Emesh'?

(b) What will then be the Din when only the Eino Tadir or Eino Mekudash was Shechted?

(c) How do we try to resolve the She'eilah from the Mishnah in B'rachos, which gives precedence to Birchas ha'Yayin because it is Tadir.
What does that have to do with our case of 'Kadam ve'Shachat le'she'Eino Tadir'?

(d) How do we reject ...

  1. ... that proof?
  2. ... a similar proof from Rebbi Yochanan's ruling, giving precedence to Minchah over Musaf, even though the time for Musaf preceded that of Minchah?
(a) What does the Beraisa say about a Pesach which they Shechted before ...
  1. ... midday?
  2. ... the Tamid?
(b) What did Ravina reply when Rav Acha b'rei de'Rav Ashi asked him why we cannot resolve our She'eilah from this Beraisa?

(c) How did Rav Acha Saba prove this answer from the Lashon of the Beraisa 'vi'Yehei Acher Memares be'Damo Ve'yizrok es ha'Dam'?

(a) What would you assume, according to Rebbi Shimon, if, one evening, you saw oil being ...
  1. ... distributed to the Kohanim in the Azarah? What could it be, besides the remainder of the Log Shemen shel Metzora?
  2. ... burned on the Mizbe'ach? What could it be, besides the wafers of the Minchas Kohanim (which were completely burned)?
(b) Why would there inevitably be leftover oil from the Minchas Chavitin?

(c) Why would it certainly not be oil that had been donated as a Nedavah?

(d) What does Rebbi Shimon say?

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(a) According to Shmuel, what does Rebbi Tarfon learn from the word "Korban"(in the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ki Sakriv *Korban* Minchah")?

(b) What else does he learn from there?

(c) How does Rebbi Zeira support Shmuel from Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah 'Im Ra'isa Shemen she'Mischalek ba'Azarah ... she'Ein Misnadvin Shemen'?

(d) What does Abaye counter from the Seifa 'Im Ra'isa Shemen she'Nitan al-Gabei Mizbe'ach ... she'Ein Misnadvin Shemen'?

(a) How will Rebbi Zeira deal with the apparent contradiction?

(b) How does Abaye (who disagrees with Shmuel) resolve it?

(c) Is it acceptable to learn the Reisha because of the Seifa?

(d) How will Rebbi Zeira explain the Beraisa 'Yayin ke'Divrei Rebbi Akiva le'Sapalim, Shemen ke'Divrei Rebbi Tarfon le'Ishim' (which appears to support Abaye)?

(a) According to the Tana Kama in a Beraisa, the minimum amount of oil that one can donate is a Log.
What does Rebbi say?

(b) The Rabbanan sitting before Rav Papa explained the basis of the Machlokes as to whether we say 'Don Miynah u'Miynah' or 'Don Miynah, ve'Ukei be'Asrah'.
What do these terms mean?

(c) 'Don Miynah u'Miynah' teaches us that just as a Minchah can be donated, so too, can oil.
What do the Rabbanan learn from 'u'Miynah'? In which two regards do we learn oil from a Minchah?

(a) How does Rebbi apply 've'Ukei be'Asra' with regard to these two issues?
From where does he learn them?

(b) What is the significance of three Lugin?

(c) According to Rebbi then, where does the Kohen pour the oil?

(a) On what grounds did Rav Papa object to the Rabbanan's explanation? What would Rebbi hold, in his opinion, if he learned the Din of Shemen from Minchah?

(b) According to Rav Papa therefore, Rebbi learns Shemen from "Kol *ha'Ezrach* Ya'aseh Kachah" (in Korach).
What exactly does he learn from there?

(a) Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua queries Rav Papa from a Beraisa.
What source does the Tana cite for the Nidvas Shemen, which, he says, must comprise at least three Lugin?

(b) How do we know that the author of the Beraisa is Rebbi?

(c) How did Rav Papa respond?

(a) What does Shmuel learn from the Pasuk in Korach "ve'Yayin Takriv la'Nesech Chatzi ha'Hin, Isheh Re'ach Nicho'ach la'Hashem"?

(b) What problem do we have with that?

(c) If, as we suggest, the prohibition is confined to extinguishing the fire completely, but does not apply to 'Kibuy be'Miktzas', why does Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah declare Chayav a Kohen who takes one coal down from the Mizbe'ach and extinguishes it?

(a) What alternative answer do we give to refute the Kashya from Kibuy?

(b) What does Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov in a Beraisa, say about extinguishing coals in order to perform the Mitzvah of Terumas ha'Deshen?

(c) How will we then reconcile this with Shmuel, who permits Kibuy for the sake of a Mitzvah?

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